Going to a Conference on Providence, God willing.

Andy Goodliff – thanks Andy, has drawn attention to a Systematic Theology Conference in Aberdeen, January 2008, on the theme of Providence. I emailed the organiser to say I intended to come (dv)!(Details here), and would he send me booking details in due course.

So. Does God guide our lives? Are coincidences just that, the accidental coming together of circumstances, just one of those things that happen, or does God surprise us and challenge us to look again at how blessing and unlooked for pleasure might be God knocking at the door of  lives too busy and self-centred for their own good? Or come at it another way, when someone survives a crisis, sometimes there’s a half-joking but half serious flick of the eyes upward, and the comment, “Someone up there must have been looking after me!”

20089aviewofthevalleyonthewaytothea Our last Austrian holiday was in Mayrhofen, in the Tyrol where it is hard not to think of God, if only because the mountains demand to be looked at, walked on, and thought about. At six thousand feet, looking at ribbons of water, six feet wide, tumbling a hundred feet down a sheer rock face, millions of water drops refracting sunlight and making rainbows against the background of grey rock and green mountain meadow, it’s hard not to ask, so does all this just happen to be here. Is this the intentional beauty of an artist, or just coincidence, nature doing it’s thing?

Cinquefoil Then there’s the contrast between hundred ton boulders and tiny symmetrically perfect flowers, in pink, yellow and blue, growing in the sheltering shadow of those same rocks, ages old. Or again, in Alpine sun, climbing towards the Alpenhut where hot soup and a cold drink will both be needed to warm and cool a body working harder than it has for some time, we stop and fill our water bottle at a mini-torrent of crystal clear water, and drink mineral water as nature intended before it got bottled and labelled.

Enjoyment, wonder and admiration for mountain permanence and floral fragility, experiences of the mind and heart which put the routine worries of life in a different more humbling perspective. So is all this extravagant attention to detail an irrelevant by-product of natural forces, or is beauty one of God’s significant nudges to get the attention of minds too preoccupied with achievement, performance, production, results, profit margins, bottom lines and all the other trivialities we have invested with such undeserved significance.

So is all this just coincidence? I learned a long time ago that the word ‘just’ is a devaluing word, best avoided. Are there times when ‘coincidence’ is a significant nudge. 4zbahnsmt_jpg That same holiday we were on a walk all morning. On the way back along the valley we stopped to talk to John and Julie, a Yorkshire couple and great company. The steam train passed us on its way to Mayrhofen, we waved to the passengers, and walked on to Mayrhofen ourselves. As we walked past the station, there, deep in conversation about the best way to spend an hour in the town before the train left, were Stewart and Helen, two close friends from our time in Aberdeen. I didn’t even know they were on holiday. If we hadn’t met John and Julie… If Stewart didn’t still have the heart of a boy for steam trains… if we had gone up the cable car instead of to our favourite coffee stop. Coincidence? Yes, but not just coincidence. One of God’s more significant nudges, I believe.

I hope, God willing, to learn more of what all this means at the conference in January 2008!

Comments

12 responses to “Going to a Conference on Providence, God willing.”

  1. Mike Burke avatar
    Mike Burke

    But is there such a thing as “coincidence” in a universe governed by Providence?
    I recently searched my own posts on a forum I’ve belonged to for over two years, and got 666 results.
    I found it very disturbing because I was trying to sort some personal questions out at the time, and thought I was beginning to see the answer.
    Was God telling me I was on the wrong track?
    Was He telling me I’m lost??
    Even more disturbing, if such things are just “coincidences,” does that mean there is no sovereign, all-knowing, all-powerful, foreknowing God in control of things?

  2. Mike Burke avatar
    Mike Burke

    But is there such a thing as “coincidence” in a universe governed by Providence?
    I recently searched my own posts on a forum I’ve belonged to for over two years, and got 666 results.
    I found it very disturbing because I was trying to sort some personal questions out at the time, and thought I was beginning to see the answer.
    Was God telling me I was on the wrong track?
    Was He telling me I’m lost??
    Even more disturbing, if such things are just “coincidences,” does that mean there is no sovereign, all-knowing, all-powerful, foreknowing God in control of things?

  3. Jim Gordon avatar
    Jim Gordon

    Hi Mike – thanks for your comment. The word co-incidence says nothing about causes, only that certain events occur at the same time or place. The significance we put on such events coming together will depend on how we see the world, God and ourselves.
    Providence doesn’t govern anything, God does. And the God who revealed himself in Jesus is neither arbitrary nor taciturn – words like longsuffering, faithful and everlasting love and mercy are primary descriptors of God. Providence is merely a word we use to try to grasp the reality of the God in whom we live and move and have our being.
    I’ve no idea the significance of statistics from a computer search – I have a profound conviction about the God who searches and knows us, and who searches for us till he finds us.
    Hope this helps, Jim Gordon

  4. Jim Gordon avatar
    Jim Gordon

    Hi Mike – thanks for your comment. The word co-incidence says nothing about causes, only that certain events occur at the same time or place. The significance we put on such events coming together will depend on how we see the world, God and ourselves.
    Providence doesn’t govern anything, God does. And the God who revealed himself in Jesus is neither arbitrary nor taciturn – words like longsuffering, faithful and everlasting love and mercy are primary descriptors of God. Providence is merely a word we use to try to grasp the reality of the God in whom we live and move and have our being.
    I’ve no idea the significance of statistics from a computer search – I have a profound conviction about the God who searches and knows us, and who searches for us till he finds us.
    Hope this helps, Jim Gordon

  5. Mike Burke avatar
    Mike Burke

    >>>>The word co-incidence says nothing about causes, only that certain events occur at the same time or place. The significance we put on such events coming together will depend on how we see the world, God and ourselves<<<< Thank you. But I guess my question is "if there's a God who knew certain events would come together at the same time, and knew the significance an individual would put on those events coming together at that time, does that mean He intended that message for that individual"? If not, why not? Couldn't a foreknowing, omnipotent, omnescient God have forordained every seemingly meaningful "coincidence" to have meaning, and why wouldn't He? I know this may be a stupid question, but it bothers me, and if you can see an answer, please reply. Thank you.

  6. Mike Burke avatar
    Mike Burke

    >>>>The word co-incidence says nothing about causes, only that certain events occur at the same time or place. The significance we put on such events coming together will depend on how we see the world, God and ourselves<<<< Thank you. But I guess my question is "if there's a God who knew certain events would come together at the same time, and knew the significance an individual would put on those events coming together at that time, does that mean He intended that message for that individual"? If not, why not? Couldn't a foreknowing, omnipotent, omnescient God have forordained every seemingly meaningful "coincidence" to have meaning, and why wouldn't He? I know this may be a stupid question, but it bothers me, and if you can see an answer, please reply. Thank you.

  7. Mike Burke avatar
    Mike Burke

    But if statistics from a computer search seem to have some significance, does that mean God intended them to have that significance to that individual?
    If God foreknew they’d seem to have some significance, how can they mean nothing?

  8. Mike Burke avatar
    Mike Burke

    But if statistics from a computer search seem to have some significance, does that mean God intended them to have that significance to that individual?
    If God foreknew they’d seem to have some significance, how can they mean nothing?

  9. jim Gordon avatar
    jim Gordon

    If everything happens by the fore-ordination of God, the omnipotence, omiscience and omnipresence become an oppressive control in which there is no freedom. Made in the image of God each human being is one created as capable of relationship, moral consciousness and the freedom to choose, decide and act. That sin affects such faculties is what we mean by the marring of God’s image by that freedom abused. My primary starting point in understanding the attributes of God is not the long words beginning with omni! It is that God is love, and love implies relationshiop, freedom, choice – and faithfulness is when these choices and decisions are made durable through the gift of Love opoured into our hearts by the Holy Spirit. To specualte on what God ‘means’ or what the significance of every event is, takes me into philosophical speculation ( not bad in itself) and in a relationship between the person and the Triune God, not speculation but trust is what is invited.

  10. jim Gordon avatar
    jim Gordon

    If everything happens by the fore-ordination of God, the omnipotence, omiscience and omnipresence become an oppressive control in which there is no freedom. Made in the image of God each human being is one created as capable of relationship, moral consciousness and the freedom to choose, decide and act. That sin affects such faculties is what we mean by the marring of God’s image by that freedom abused. My primary starting point in understanding the attributes of God is not the long words beginning with omni! It is that God is love, and love implies relationshiop, freedom, choice – and faithfulness is when these choices and decisions are made durable through the gift of Love opoured into our hearts by the Holy Spirit. To specualte on what God ‘means’ or what the significance of every event is, takes me into philosophical speculation ( not bad in itself) and in a relationship between the person and the Triune God, not speculation but trust is what is invited.

  11. Mike avatar
    Mike

    My last question was saved awaiting approval, and I hope you read this before approving it because something was lost when I tried posting it.
    My questions should have appeared as follows:
    >>>>To specualte on what God ‘means’ or what the significance of every event is, takes me into philosophical speculation ( not bad in itself)>>>My primary starting point in understanding the attributes of God is not the long words beginning with omni! It is that God is love, and love implies relationshiop, freedom, choice – and faithfulness is when these choices and decisions are made durable through the gift of Love opoured into our hearts by the Holy Spirit. To specualte on what God ‘means’ or what the significance of every event is, takes me into philosophical speculation ( not bad in itself) and in a relationship between the person and the Triune God, not speculation but trust is what is invited.<<<< So could the purpose of some disturbing "coincidences" be to tes our trust in God, rather than to convey any specific message?

  12. Mike avatar
    Mike

    My last question was saved awaiting approval, and I hope you read this before approving it because something was lost when I tried posting it.
    My questions should have appeared as follows:
    >>>>To specualte on what God ‘means’ or what the significance of every event is, takes me into philosophical speculation ( not bad in itself)>>>My primary starting point in understanding the attributes of God is not the long words beginning with omni! It is that God is love, and love implies relationshiop, freedom, choice – and faithfulness is when these choices and decisions are made durable through the gift of Love opoured into our hearts by the Holy Spirit. To specualte on what God ‘means’ or what the significance of every event is, takes me into philosophical speculation ( not bad in itself) and in a relationship between the person and the Triune God, not speculation but trust is what is invited.<<<< So could the purpose of some disturbing "coincidences" be to tes our trust in God, rather than to convey any specific message?

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